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March 22, 2005

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dearieme

"Interestingly, but sadly, there's no reference to Hayek in After Virtue": then it need not detain me, for it must have been written by a dolt.

Rob

I feel I should say that I meant only to point out what I thought, on the basis of what I knew about the critique, looked like it might be an inconsistency, and that I was genuinely interested in the answer to the question, so thanks for responding. I should also say, I think, that I am unconvinced about the (quasi-)moral case for free markets generally, although I suppose that's probably rather obvious from my blog.

I have some reservations about all but one of the points you raise here (quickly, on 1 - the south-eastern asian Tiger economies?; on 2 - need to show that a) nothing else could gather the information as well and b) the costs of gathering the information do not outweigh the benefits; on 3 - and this only makes sense if you endorse the managerial critique, which I'm not doing - doesn't each individual case need sharply defined property rights, even if, generally, no single set of sharply defined property rights is required; on the MacIntyre stuff - if the claim is that markets are the best available tools for the efficient distribution of resources, because of their responsiveness to new information, doesn't that fall foul of the restriction on social science generalizations?) but perhaps a post, rather than comments, particularly comments when drunk, is a better place to deal with it. Again, thanks for responding, and I really do mean this in a conversational, rather than disputational, way (and so I'm sorry if it comes across otherwise).

Also, I'm not actually - as I said above, but not, perhaps foolishly, in my post - endorsing the managerial critique (it sounds a bit too much like a social science generalization, apart from anything else), so I'm not actually claiming the things I said are true, just pointing out what I think the managerial critique says.

Blimpish

The morality of markets is hardly the issue until another system can be found that can feed the masses. Market processes are at any rate are a natural social phenomenon in a society under the rule of law.

Obviously, I'm fully on-board for bashing managerialists, so this will come as no surprise: but I too think Rob misses the point here. Managerialists build dogma out of those social science generalisations - which can just as much be in favour of state control as of markets. The current managerialist consensus favours a heavy role for public intervention in raising adult skills (see the White Paper released earlier this very day).

The point about managerialism is not that it is hyper-rationalisation, but blind rationalisation. It is (in keeping with the positivist tradition) a radical separation of facts and values, with values beyond reasoned debate - values are 'appropriate' or not, and there are no trade-offs to be had. There's a difference between using positivist analysis to seek the most efficient means of achieving a consciously selected end, and following an accepted reasoning for ends that are beyond discussion.

dearieme

"Appropriate": such a tell-tale of a word and such a question-begger.

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