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inactualfact

I would dispute Caplan's assertion on the personal observation that although my measured IQ is very high, I'm earning bugger all.

On a more general point, yes, there probably is a correlation, but I'm not going to assume the non-elasticity of IQ as Caplan does, especially not over more than one generation. In studies of identical twins, seperated at birth (I really should find the reference for this, as I'm quoting from memory), nurture, diet, mental stimulation during the first five years of development can cause up to a ca. 20 point IQ difference by the age of twenty.
If we accept that people with a higher IQ are more succesful under capitalism, and can therefore provide/afford better care for their children can we really call it a meritocracy? Or is it generationally self-perpetuating (with a bit of genetic variation thrown in)?

Jarndyce

_IQ research [showing a positive correlation between IQ and earnings] seriously undermines the moral case for redistribution_

Uh? Even if IQ research showed a perfect correlation with earnings, the (liberal) case for redistribution is left untouched. How is the luck of being born clever different from the that of being born with other "unfair" advantages like being rich or next to a good school, or just plain old lottery-winner lucky? And how exactly does it effect, say, Dworkin's "insurance from behind a veil of ignorance" view of redistributive taxation? What Caplan's advocating is replacing the tyranny of privilege with a tyranny of meritocracy. At least the former comes with added noblesse oblige.

guerby

Jarndyce: "How is the luck of being born clever different from the that of being born with other "unfair" advantages like being rich or next to a good school, or just plain old lottery-winner lucky?"

Luck of being born rich can be moderated by social constructs: no inheritance, free education for non rich by the state, high level education available on merit not price, etc...

Luck of being born smart cannot be moderated by social constructs.

Lottery is just a collective redistribution contract with no obligation to play, so not very different than being an investor.

Laurent

Mstanley

"Luck of being born smart cannot be moderated by social constructs."

What? The *effects* of that luck can easily be moderated, for example by progressive taxation.

dearieme

How about an IQ tax? "They" measure your IQ at, say, 11 and you start paying the tax at, say, 30. You therefore spend your adolescence and early adulthood making bloody sure that you're going to earn heaps of money so that you can afford the tax. Consequence: every clever bugger makes huge contribution to economy, nation rich as Croesus, all live happily ever after. Just one prob: only the Left would approve, and the Left doesn't believe in IQ.

David Wildgoose

Ah, but the truly clever would deliberately flunk the IQ test.

Which would mean there would be attempts to identify this and penalise low scores, which in turn could well penalise those with naturally low IQ...

I'm not an economist, but even I know the first rule of economics:

(1) Incentives Matter.

Curious

I think emotional intelligence (EI) is better linked to higher earnings than IQ. Why? Because the richest people normally have better than average inter and intra-personal skills.They have learnt themselves and learnt others around them.

IQ just gauges ones academic brain capacity usage (not even intelligence).Why? Predetors, e.g.: lions, are very very intelligent. There is no doubting that, however, they are not capable of sitting an IQ test to solve some puzzles.

Why is IQ a big deal? Because humans need to standardise everything so that society can function. That is why those that are different/gifted (I don't mean dumb) find it hard in society. Consider Eistein.

See:
http://culturefusion.blogspot.com/2005/10/iq-or-ei.html

Monjo

I wouldn't pay any respect to anything Dworkin said.

I disagree with Chris's points 1-4:
1) Similar number of people have physical disadvantage as they do mental
2) True, but if we can't get a good legal job there's always crimes and the sex trade
3) 90 per cent perspiration, it is mostly hard work - the difference between Tesco and Tommy's Tomatoe's

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