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Correlation problem here? Suppose that immigration into 1950s Britain had been from other high trust societies e.g. another influx of Danes. Would the consequences be the same as for an influx from low trust societies e.g. Jamaica or Pakistan? And that thought-experiment still has a correlation problem, since Danes look much like us.

You might also have cited this book, which is very good on race and redistribution...

http://www.oup.com/uk/catalogue/?ci=9780199286102

But how would you rate Poland or Italy, both of which contributed substantial numbers of immigrants in the 1950s, for high- or low-trust? I'd rate them both quite high-trust, with the caveat that Italian trust levels vary dramatically between what you might call official (politics) and unofficial (community/family) fields.

That it's necessary to point out that there were quite a lot of immigrants other than Pakistanis in the 50s, IMHO, bears out Chris's point.

A prior influx of Danes was not without conflicts, e.g. the attempted genocide on St. Brice's Day, 1002.

Surely there are good genetic reasons for this - we trust people like ourselves more, as we are more likely to share genes with them.

Also, your statement that we cannot have both democracy and redistribution seems a bit unjustified: I always thought that democracy and redistribution went hand-in-hand, as a democratic governments are likelier to try this kind of short termist solution, as a way of looking good to the voters.

Steve M - democracy's fine for redistributing towards the median voter. But does it really guarantee a good deal for the worst-off?

"But how would you rate Poland or Italy, both of which contributed substantial numbers of immigrants in the 1950s, for high- or low-trust?" I wouldn't rate them; I don't know enough about them, which is why I picked easy ones.
"That it's necessary to point out that there were quite a lot of immigrants other than Pakistanis in the 50s": but it isn't necessary - "e.g." means "for example", not "here's an exhaustive list".
My point is that "diversity" alone is a pretty silly measure if you don't account for the component parts of the mixture. Otherwise you could say that Stornoway is diverse - there's Macleods and Macleans and Morrisons and Nicolsons and.....

"Why do people identify so much with their ethnicity? "

A partial answer is given in this talk by Leda Cosmides and James Toobin which discusses the issue and some experimental results:
http://name99.org/blog99/?p=69

The data is way too sketchy to derive serious conclusions yet, but their claim is that ethnicity is a proxy for "being on the same team", "being part of the same unit", the sort of explanation you'd expect from evolutionary psychology.

I am interested in whether we can have "Climax Capitalism" and democracy.

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