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February 15, 2007

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Peter Briffa

I am.

zorro

I might not trust Cameron, you might not trust him, but he's going to be the next elected PM so you'd better get used to it! :)

Oh and there's no way in hell he could be any more "poisonous and slippery" than Broon or Bliar.

James Hamilton

Chris, I can barely read your Captcha, and anyway, you only get the right sort of chap in the Buller. Ask Damian Counsell. If you were contemporary to Cameron, I was to George Osbourne, who I remember as by some margin the most unpleasant character I had the misfortune to encounter in 3 years as a student. That Cameron not merely tolerates him but sees him as a close ally is a far better reason to worry than any amount of bottle throwing twentyish years ago.

Dan

Chris - does it matter that Cameron is total jerk? If we think that he has the political prowess to manipulate in order to acheive results should we worry? What is worse a PM that has no power (for example the PM of New Zealand, or John Major) or a strong leader with unfavourable personal qualities....? Surely Politics is about manipulation. Blair is particuarlly good at it as was Bill Clinton. Not so Mr Bush who just comes across to people who dont live in the middle states of America a complete turkey. My worry about Cameron is his ability to stamp his authority on Foreign leaders, not about wanting to play cricket with the chap.....

Katherine

Gawd, if the Bullingdon Club is anything like the Pitt Club (Cambridge drinking club for toffs) then - shudder.

Simon

What could change him? How about marriage and fatherhood?

dave heasman

Cameron was surprised to be invited to join the Bullingdon, and slipperily avoided most of the most disgraceful antics. Doesn't mean he's not a shit, of course. All I've heard about his "career" at ITV suggests he is.

I followed your link to "cretinism". I think Boris as a Tory MP saying "..that weird moment of shock - when I realised the cops were capable of making something up.. "
puts him head and shoulders above his fellows. To admit to not realising it before, and to keep it as a formative influence 20 years afterwards, are both praiseworthy and - weird in a Tory MP but there you go - moral.

james c

You need to do more than demonstrate that Cameron is a ****. You need to show that he is a bigger **** than others who aspire to be Prime Minister.

Tabman

I drew much the same conclusions as you (see Bullingdon Davey on Liberal Review).

Hattersley was trying to make much the same argument, but very badly, on Question Time last night. How strange it was that Dimbleby shut him up - you'd almost think he was a member of the Bullingdon too.

john b

"What is worse a PM that has no power (for example the PM of New Zealand, or John Major) or a strong leader with unfavourable personal qualities....?"

Assuming the relevant country isn't facing a total war for survival (which we aren't, whatever the Islamaparanoiacal neoclowns might believe), then the second is worse by a country mile.

For example, New Zealand stayed out of the Iraq farce, has posted economic growth comparable to the UK's, and hasn't embarked on any Grand Doomed Schemes to take away people's freedom and waste money.

The Tories under Major managed to lay the foundations for the current economic growth cycle, and to not push Thatcherism to the dangerous extent that a charismatic leader might have achieved (OK, rail privatisation was a bit of a disaster, but it was always intended as a plot to make life hard for Labour rather than a serious policy in its own right...).

Christopher G D Tipper

Tabman wrote:

"Hattersley was trying to make much the same argument, but very badly, on Question Time last night. How strange it was that Dimbleby shut him up - you'd almost think he was a member of the Bullingdon too."

Funny you should mention that. Take a look at the wikipedia page above under "Bullingdon Club".

linda

here's a question for Bullingdon Dave: how do you think it feels for a state school kid to arrive at their Oxbridge college to find out that their college-mates only want to be friends with their old public-school chums?

Benjamin G A Cowley

I think you should all grow up and get your own lives.

I don't think there's anybody living who has done everything throughout their life perfectly in every way.

Also, would you rather have an (hypothetical) uneducated, lazy PM who hadn't been a member of the club running the country or Mr. Cameron?


Paulie

Eighteen months later, and this is still one of my favourite posts on this site.

You should get it framed.

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