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Mike Ion

Chris

Somewhat naively perhaps I am trying to make the point that we (Labour) should take on the far-right for principled reasons and not simply for electoral calculation.

Owld Grumbleton

NZ has a mixed member proportional representation system, and winning the floating voter is even more vital. A major party can lose votes to the more extreme parties of its ilk, but they'll support it in a coalition (messy but workable). To govern, you must capture the middle. If the sentiment shifts, the major parties shift that way too. Plus ca change, plus ca meme.

Scratch

I'd bet money that the appeal ,such as it is, of the fascists is "law and order" rather than "the darkies."

Personally, I suspect giving ratboys and people who like a fight something nasty to vote for, namely the BNP, will pull them in at the polling booth whilst working people say frig it, I'm not voting for any of the dishonest, patronising, willfully ignorant, self serving shitbags...I reckon that's where your swing comes from.

Innocent Abroad

I think you mean Oxford East... West is a LibDem/Tory fight...

Recusant

It what way are the BNP 'far-right'? Given their healthy appetite for nationalisation. Worker's control. Worker's rights and all the other baggage of a 1930's socialist? Of course they have that unattractive anti-immigrant thing, but what with Brown's call for "British jobs for British Workers" and Labour's anti-immigrant dog whistle politics in Crewe, the BNP seem to me to be the more 'traditional' left-wing party and that is why they wouldn't get my vote.

Recusant

It what way are the BNP 'far-right'? Given their healthy appetite for nationalisation, worker's control, worker's rights and all the other baggage of a 1930's socialist? Of course they have that unattractive anti-immigrant thing, but what with Brown's call for "British jobs for British Workers" and Labour's anti-immigrant dog whistle politics in Crewe, the BNP seem to me to be the more 'traditional' left-wing party and that is why they wouldn't get my vote.

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"So, could it be that ignoring its core support - and the rise in the BNP this threatens - is one of the prices we must pay for our first-past-the-post system?"

The core support of each party are the extremists. It is probably just as well if we pay little attention to them.

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"So, could it be that ignoring its core support - and the rise in the BNP this threatens - is one of the prices we must pay for our first-past-the-post system?"

The core support of each party are the extremists. It is probably just as well if we pay little attention to them.

Antipholus Papps

Given the New Labour have:
- suspended habeas corpus
- planned and waged aggressive war
- introduced ID cards and a DNA database
- expanded CCTV and now council surveillance to truly Orwellian proportions
- promoted hysterical fear of terrorism to decimate civil liberties and undermine the rule of law
- merged state and corporate power

I find this focus on the 'far-right' BNP something of a potemkin village.

Oops, I forgot:
- colluded in disappearance and torture

But New Labour are 'Centre-left'?

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