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September 22, 2008

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dearieme

Your point seems good to me: if you leave ownership with the capitalists (e.g. our pension funds) but control with the workers, the workers loot the joint (e.g. British Leyland, investment banks, etc). On the other hand, it's risky having your career and your savings in the same business, which is what partnerships do. But at the very least company law needs to be critically scrutinised.

Paulie

He's away on holiday, but this post would be music to Tom P's ears:

http://labourandcapital.blogspot.com/

It's his most recurring theme, kids! Check it out!

Bob B

Of course, concerns about the implications of the separation of control from ownership in modern corporations aren't exactly new:

"The Modern Corporation and Private Property is a book written by Adolf Berle and Gardiner Means and published in 1932. It explores the evolution of big business through a legal and economic lens, and argues that in the modern world those who legally have ownership over companies have been separated from their control."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Modern_Corporation_and_Private_Property

"More important, capitalism was disappearing, yet socialism would not replace it; neither, for that matter, would democracy ever be ascendant. A new, managerial class, rather than the working class, was replacing the old capitalist class as society's dominant power élite. The managerial class includes business executives, technicians, bureaucrats, and soldiers; example societies are Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. This theory of Burnham's is thought influenced by the book La Bureaucratisation du Monde (1939). . . It is important to note that Burnham defined capitalism as the individual ownership and control of the means of production, which is distinct from the modern corporation, a legally established shareholders association with no direct control over the means of production."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham

All of which only goes to show that politicians are slow learners.

passer by

Or we can just get rid of the pseudo science out of the financial systems? FFS at the wall street capitalist theme park they even had a big glitzy entrance at lehman Bros.

Its does not matter what ownership you have or what system you have, if we cant address the fault line running through Western schools of thought about the nature of the unknown none will work or will not work as efficiently as it should, or even work for a time before the error is so big you cannot ignore it, causing havoc for everyone else.

I was walking in the park yesterday when I came across a little girl of about 4 or 5 on a a bike with stabilizers, her parents at both sides of the bike, and she had a cycle helmet on, that my friends is the problem, risk aversion.

Maybe a solution is to pay the managerial class their bonuses in the far future rather in the present, the money goes into a bonding system and is collected 10 or 15 years later with interest unless of course a case can be made against you that you in reality cocked up.

anotherplanet

I don't think it's possible to get away with the idea that Long Term Capital Management's collapse was due to a bit of bad luck. Their initial success lead to arrogance and a resort to higher and higher rates of leverage and a departure from their own self-imposed rules as pickings got slimmer. It was an accident waiting to happen. The idea that 'we know now that rare events happen' because of LTCM's example is comical.

dsquared

How would you provide insurance on this basis? Presumably through a succession of small syndicates with unlimited liability, each of them raising capital from a small number of outside parties and setting their pricing and underwriting criteria by dealing with each other on a market.

In other words, Lloyd's of London before R&R.

Term paper

It’s great to see good information being shared and also to see fresh, creative ideas that have never been done before.

Michael

nice post

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