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Tom Addison

"And anyone who thinks cutting the minimum wage will lead to large job creation has supped too much Econ 101 moron juice."

Could you please elaborate? I know many people who have a few pints of this juice morning, noon and night.

David Massey

Paul Krugman has done a few posts about a shift in the Beveridge curve in the US and how this indicates an increase in structural unemployment. Quick look at the data for the UK from the ONS, shows a similar pattern - data here for those interested http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/LMS_FR_HS/WebTable21_1.xls

Luis Enrique

a counter argument (to the Bev curve shifting idea)

http://www.angrybearblog.com/2010/08/beveridge-curve-vs-matching-function-ii.html

john Terry's Mum

“Unemployment is an integral part of the normal capitalist system."

We are way way past any semblance of "normality" in the global capitalist system- thought it will not become fully apparent for some years to come.

In the mid-nineties about 100-150 million cheap manufacturing workers (mostly in India and China -- with access to technology and materials etc) became available to the global economy. This vast over capacity was disguised by the various credit bubbles.
Not any more.

This same over-capacity exists across most if not all sectors.

We are seeing an absolute collapse in the value of human labour.

chris

@ Tom - I have two effects in mind:
1. The miniumum wage is so low that it simply doesn't affect many workers. Cutting it would therefore mean only a small fall in overall labour costs.
2. The price elasticity of demand for labour is low in aggregate. If it were otherwise, the fall in real wages we've seen in the last two years would have led to an employment boom.
Multiplying these two things together implies that cutting the NMW would create only a few jobs.

Robert Allen

Of course there is going to be more unemployment as a result of structural changes to the economy, not least because of the need for everyone to clock up more years in order to counter faltering pension provision. A decade or two ago many large companies used early retirement (courtesy of healthy pension funds) to move large numbers of 50-55 year old workers out of their respective organisations, replacing them with younger personnel who did similar work for a third of the salary. This option doesn’t exist anymore: people will need to work through to their 60s and beyond: many in succeeding generations will have to wait until well into their 30s before securing a full time position.

ortega

"Much of today's American workforce is engaged in roundabout production, which Böhm-Bawerk equated with capital. There is no longer a meaningful distinction between labor and capital. Labor is capital.
If labor is capital, then we have lost the automatic tight connection between spending and employment. Firms can vary their output with little or no variation in employment. This explains how we can have a “jobless recovery,” meaning a large percentage increase in output without a comparable percentage increase in employment. For firms in today's economy, labor represents an investment. Firms hire workers in order to develop capabilities that will eventually produce output more efficiently. The return on an investment in workers may take as long or longer to realize as the return on investment in a machine. The return on investing in workers may be at least as uncertain as the return on investing in equipment."

http://www.american.com/archive/2010/august/when-labor-is-capital-the-limits-of-keynesian-policy

ortega

"When you add it all up, it costs $74,000 to put $44,000 in Sally's pocket and to give her $12,000 in benefits. Bottom line: Governments impose a 33% surtax on Sally's job each year.
(...)
And even if the economic outlook were more encouraging, increasing revenues is always uncertain and expensive. As much as I might want to hire new salespeople, engineers and marketing staff in an effort to grow, I would be increasing my company's vulnerability to government decisions to raise taxes, to policies that make health insurance more expensive, and to the difficulties of this economic environment.

A life in business is filled with uncertainties, but I can be quite sure that every time I hire someone my obligations to the government go up. From where I sit, the government's message is unmistakable: Creating a new job carries a punishing price."

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704017904575409733776372738-lMyQjAxMTAwMDAwODEwNDgyWj.html

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