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August 11, 2010

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Sam

How about
4. Anyone can say "I was offered an Oxford place, but turned it down", but the degree itself is verifiable. So there's really no signalling in being offered a place, because you can't check up on it.

and I'll also go for
5. The quality of one's peers has a huge impact on the education one receives. I had good tutors at Oxford, but I think a more significant effect was the scarily smart guy I had tutorials with. That was pure luck - had either he or I chosen a different college, I'd have only been educated alongside other normal mortals.

PWG

Just to muddy the waters further, I am sure higher education is a Veblen good - if a university charges high fees, it sends out a signal that it provides a strong product.

Sean

Chris, you're brilliant--don't ever stop blogging.

OurSally

Well I was at the other place, but it did me one tremendous favour; I came from primary and grammar school where I had always been top of the class without really trying. Suddenly I was dropped in an environment where I was average. It took me down a tremendous peg, and it stopped me from being an arrogant bastard.

(People who know me might deny that. But I reckon I would have been much more unbearable if I had attended McPoly.)

OurSally

Speaking of "claiming to have been there", we got a new graduate who was full of having studied at Oxford. Since I don't have the accent (and don't normally mention it) he didn't realise I was one of the lucky ones. So I said brightly, oh, which college, we must have a few friends in common. So he mumbled, ah, the poly.

You have to take your fun where you can find it these days.

Glenn

I was too busy partying, playing in bands and sleeping to think about or notice what University was for (except for having a good time, obviously). After 3 years I woke up to find my degree course had ended and I'd miraculously achieved an upper second, and thought I'd like to do another 5 years, and so I did, and left with an armful of great qualifications but with a really poor wardrobe and a lack of decent foreign holidays. Then at the age of 27 I decided to enter the real world, and hey, work wasn't so bad after all (just as well because retirement is still 26 years away if I am lucky).

Peter

It also signals an ability to get on with other Oxford students - a soft skill which employers value.

But much more valuable in any business is the ability to work with people who haven't had an elite education. To be able to motivate staff, work in teams and communicate with the general public is surely much better than being comfortable cosying up to Bullingdon types.

Anyway, go to the non-elite places - there is some damn good teaching there - what a bargain.

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