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April 03, 2011

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Agog

The correlation was very high under Major, and under Heath->Wilson according to your chart. Why so?

Schismatism

@Agog the writer here isn't accounting for what the rise in government spending is going towards. Simply spending more on the wars, for example, won't necessarily lead to redistribution here at home. The purchases of goods made in the US for the war effort are minimal compared to the cost of the war effort going towards highly skilled laborers (contractors, etc) instead of towards wealth creation downwards, or the cost is literally being spent outside the US. Of course such a thing won't affect wages here at home.

chris

@Agog - the recession of 1990-92 saw govt spending rise and labour hoarding that raised the wage share and squeezed profits. The subsequent recovery reversed these trends. Ditto for ther 1974-75 recession.

Luis Enrique

I'm not sure about this - as you show, the accounting identity has the same relation between W and (G-T) as it does between W and (I-P), and can be arranged any which way: you could have written (G-P) and (I-T). You show that (G-T) doesn't appears to have much to do with the share of wages in GDP, so why should we think (I-P) will have? And would you have written that wages rise if taxation falls relative to investment?

I'd like to know more about what's behind the share of income data. How much is explained by people choosing to declare income as capital rather than wages, for tax reasons? Where does the capital share go? I don't like thinking of the labour share as going to workers and the capital share to capitalists - after all, bankers and their bonuses are in the labour share and the earnings of the bloke who owns the local kebab van might be counted as capital income, for all I know. And of course pension funds receive dividend income, and there's demographics and all sorts underlying changes there, I imagine. On the other hand, perhaps the bottom line is a higher capital share benefits the rich.

I know Andrew Glynn wrote something on the declining labour share - anybody know any good references that go into the kind of detail I'm after?

Mark Wadsworth

Chaps, you are missing the point.

He said: “the biggest transfer of wealth from ordinary people to the mega-rich that we’ve seen since the Enclosure Acts”.

And that is exactly how it works. You can tax incomes as much as you like, but the bulk of income tax revenues just go into pushing up house prices (long and complicated story) especially if we have restrictions on new supply of housing (The Hallowed Green Belt).

The last ten or fifteen years have seen the biggest transfer of wealth imaginable, and hey presto, it's often the people nominally paying the most income tax who were the biggest beneficiaries (the tax they paid is rather less than their unearned house price gains - which they are now desperate to lock in).

toryboysnevergrowup

And the government response is to reduce the tax on corporate profits (and announce further reductions) regardless of whether they are reinvested or not. This says a lot about the motivations of the present government

Mark Wadsworth

"And the government response is to reduce the tax on corporate profits... regardless of whether they are reinvested or not."

By definition, there is NO corporation tax on reinvested profits, whatever the rate is (although there are timing differences with capital allowance items and a shed load of silly disallowances).

Corporation tax is ONLY charged on surplus profits which are not reinvested (i.e. rolled up as cash or paid out as dividends or used to acquire pre-existing companies).

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