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Luis Enrique

hooray ... I wonder to what extent that line of thinking is explained by economists looking at models in which the only thing that could cause unemployment is too-high wages? I know more advanced labour economists use models that feature things like matching between skills and vacancies, but afaik even cutting edge labour economics doesn't really have a way to capture "lack of demand" as such.

[some might say this is because "lack of demand" per se isn't a terribly meaningful concept ... I'm not sure]

PeterM

But there is a lot of economic activity that is not being done, because it is not quite enough work to ball-up into a job, complete with regulation, and full employment status.

There is enough there, though to allow somebody unskilled to demonstrate attendance, a work-ethic, to get started with a work record and hopefully, to progress on to something resembling a proper job. We used to call such activity entry-level work. I picked tomatoes, and did other agricultural labour when I was younger. Now I get paid pretty well, not because of state regulation, but because there is a shortage of supply in my area.

Given the choice between hundreds of thousands of youngsters sitting at home, feeling that they are worth more, or those same performing economic activity which is beneath them, sure, but also potentially theurgical, rather than isolating. I can guess what a healthy democracy would prefer.

Once youth labour starts to be mined effectively it would be nice to imagine that the best workers will be able to negotiate for higher, than the current minimum wage. Which unfortunately for faux progressives, has become a de-facto which has benefited the employer class more than the down-trodden labourer.

CahalMoran

Chris,

It has been empirically and theoretically demonstrated that the MW does not increase unemployment. The infallible Robert Vienneau has a blog post on this:

http://robertvienneau.blogspot.com/2007/12/wages-employment-not-determined-by.html

For far more detailed treatment see 'Economics for the Rest of Us' by Moshe Adler.

Mercy

"And let’s also leave aside the fact that others have found the link between the NMW and youth unemployment to be surprisingly elusive." covers that no?

It's sometimes worth granting someone a small untruth (like that the minimum wage can be empirically linked to rises in unemployment) in order to catch them out in a massive whopper (like that the minimum wages we use would be significant even if that were true).

PeterM

When I fell thru the employment net, thanks to Chairman Brown's British-jobs-to-Asia campaign beginning around 2002, I found that everything for which I applied that was non-skilled (I didn't want to relocate to Bangalore) was offering the same, minimum wage. Fun times. Humiliation is good for the soul. I heartily recommend it - to other people.

Mark Wadsworth

Thanks for linking to my NEA post.

charlieman

Luis: "some might say this is because "lack of demand" per se isn't a terribly meaningful concept ... "

We see "accelerated demand" and the occasions when suppliers think that they can ramp up to meet demand, but then it all falls over.

"Lack of demand" might be like that: the company keeps on its toes, waiting for the buyer, and the order never comes.

In both cases, the company cannot organise itself to meet demand. A few weeks later, the owners nod, we would have been all right if the order came in on time.

Lisa

Interesting

Alex

I found that everything for which I applied that was non-skilled (I didn't want to relocate to Bangalore) was offering the same, minimum wage. Fun times. Humiliation is good for the soul

Just imagine if they'd been allowed to offer you less money! Wouldn't that have been so much less humiliating?

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It is farfetched that annulling the NMW apart from everyone else could make anything near full livelihood around the green.

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