« Incentives & creativity | Main | Kirsty Soames & self-fulfilling fear »

January 18, 2013

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451cbef69e2017ee79a8700970d

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Doubts about wage-led growth:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Anonymous

Well low wages haven't worked, have they?

Current UK consumption has been maintained by household borrowing, which of course is not a sustainable way of maintaining consumption in the longer term.

Although increased wages may not produce increased consumption immediately, for the reasons given, reduced household borrowings arising from increased wages should eventually feed into increased consumption even if some of the extra consumption leaks into imports.

From capital's perspective, there may be a short term reduction in profitability due to wage increases being (effectively) saved. However, given the dearth of physical investment opportunities available to capitalists they may well regard the short term reduction in profitability as a sacrifice worth making to get a better return later. So they may be less opposed to wage increases than at first supposed.

In any case, I hope the unions get stuck in big time. Things can't get any worse can they?

chris

@ Anonymous - you're dead right; low wages haven't worked. But it doesn't follow that the alternative will. It might just be that there are no feasible policies that reconcile capitalism with full employment and high living standards for all working class folk.
Social democrats seem to assume there are, without even realising they are making this assumption.

Metatone

Chris, I hope you realise how managerialist your defeatism is.
It's a bit sad to see you fall into it.
A non-managerial response would be to try some things, see what emerges...

chris

@ Metatone - I'm not saying such things shouldn't be tried. I'm just sceptical as to how far they'll work; scepticism is, if anything, the antithesis of managerialism.
I'm in two minds here. On the one hand, I'm instinctively in favour of policy experiments and a non-dogmatic attitude to policy-making. On the other hand, though, the costs of failed experiments have historically tended to be borne by workers. Strange, that.

aragon

I agree with Metatone, many of your posts appear to achive balance by FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). Take your previous too posts:

Propoganda explains the cognative biases, and incebntive scheme are counter productivce and promote cheating.

I have far more radical plans than the minimum wage been the same as the living wage, even though the living wage excludes rents. This is small fry.

Should I be worried that Jeremy Warner appears to be coming around the idea.

aragon

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9808681/A-living-wage-or-a-much-higher-minimum-wage-is-worth-paying.html

"Which is why I have become persuaded of the case for a “living wage”, or at least a much higher minimum wage. The potential negatives from such a policy are almost too numerous to list – surging inflation, higher immigration, rising unemployment, a growing black economy, and so on. These alone might appear to kill the idea stone dead."

[...]

"Set high enough, a living wage would obviate the need for in-work benefits – one of the biggest areas of growth in welfare spending; it would significantly add to demand in the economy; and it would substantially boost tax receipts"

[...]

"For the moment, the concept is too “out there” to be taken seriously"

[...]

"Yet the banking crisis has turned much conventional thinking on its head. This may be an idea whose time will yet come."

Not unqualified support then.

Anton

Why would society as a whole want to pay higher wages to human labour IF the same poducts can be produced for virtually free (after fixed cots of acquisition and variable cost for energy) by the machines. The idea of raising wages or hiring more workers just so that aggregate demand can be maintained in light of the advances in technology is not far from the Luddites movement in the past. Surely everyone woud be better off if we let the machines work and pay ourselves a fixed stipend so we can consume. Money is only a social concept, money is not the problem here. And by the way, we already have 4 iphones at home. Who needs more? But that is a separate topic.

Paolo

Chris, you are missing the point that consumption (in particular in durables) is also linked to expactations of high wages. Nowadays, the issue is not only low wages by a sense of precariousness towards the future. So, it isn't just high wages but less uncertainty regarding the future that will drive consumption and hopefully trigger the virtuous cycle you described.
If you take into consideration this life-cycle Ricardian effects you could see that higher wages driven by some form of militancy (i.e., not necessarily union-driven) might work notwistanding private households' high indebtedness.

Luis Enrique

how serious should we take ideas like multiple equilibria, coordination devices and such like? Perhaps even if higher wages would largely be spent on imports, a positive income shock for half the population might be the sort of thing to coordinate a jump to a better place?

jOHN

A short period of wage inflation might be useful in a debt crisis but it would need to be stopped as soon as possible. Public spending is seen as an alternative stimulant but this always results in a depression of private sector growth (See Sydenham's Law of public expenditure and economic growth). It looks like we are stuck with austerity and good management of the balance of industrial balance and terms of trade for a recovery.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Why S&M?

Blog powered by Typepad