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April 19, 2005

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Snafu

I don't believe that the collapse of Rover undermines the traditional case for capitalist ownership and control of firms at all. If Rover workers had the most to lose from the collapse, shouldn't they have been the ones demanding investment in new models and taking pay cuts if car sales prices had to be trimmed to make Rover more competitive?

I think your underlying assumption is that workers should work collectively to maximise their firm's wealth whilst I suggest they still wish to maximise indiviual wealth. I think you also underestimate the ability of workers either to retrain far quicker than capital can be re-employed elsewhere or to seek work elsewhere in a similar role. Otherwise what you are calling for is a return to the "job for life" culture.

Ian

"Otherwise what you are calling for is a return to the "job for life" culture."

I agree, the assumption that Rover workers are losing long-term salary payments is not the same as the "most to lose". Salaried staff only "lose" as much as their contracted salary period stipulates, what happens afterwards is not within the realm of the company or its capital, the investment period of a worker is very short term (about a month).

Rob

Didn't J.K. Galbraith write something about the way that managerial structures in most large companies tended to divorce ownership from control, and that this was a bad thing, some time ago? I'd be interested to know what you think about that, having mostly forgotten what he said, and not being an economist.

snafu

I also suggest that if workers have very task specific skills, their employer will reward them with higher pay. This serves two purposes, an indication through the market that their skills are valued, but also a "superprofit" to the employee to balance the risk that such a unique skill set may have limited or no value to another employer.

Kevin Carson

snafu,

To the extent that it's a free market outcome, the "jobs for life" culture isn't necessarily a bad thing. State intervention to subsidize accumulation, R&D, and vo-tech education has (arguably) led to more skill- and capital-intensive forms of production, more technological unemployment, and faster rates of innovation, than would have occurred in a free market. If that is so, then some portion of our present job insecurity is state-subsidized.

Rob,

I believe Galbraith considered that a good thing. He regarded the "technostructure" of managers and engineers as more "progressive" than the old owner-entrepreneurs.

Snafu

Kevin

I'm not saying that a "job for life" is inherently bad, I just don't believe it's inherently good either and shood not be assumed to be a good thing.

You seem to make a good case for state-subsidized job insecurity, faster rates of innovation and more productive resources as there is higher technological unemployment. As far as I am concerned, that should mean the whole economy is richer than it otherwise would be as goods are cheaper to produce. For those who are technologically unemployed, I would expect them to be absorbed into industries where capital cannot readily be employed such as construction and tourism.

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