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May 31, 2006


Paul Morland

Plus, of course, without Scotland the Labour benches - back and front - would be denuded.

So when will 'The Stupid Party' take up the cause of St George with Chris?


But they were all bloody Frogs, the boys of Magna Carta. Writing in Latin. Meantime, "Britain" is essentially the same word the Ancient Greeks used for these islands, and particularly the big one, while "England" refers to a bunch of Kraut savages.

Will Williams

Magna Carta predates the completion of subjugation of Wales, so I'll keep quiet on that. The Americans give thanks for Magna Carta way more than any of us Brits: but they like written declarations of rights, what with their constitution an all.

But, come on, you English, whatever the rights and wrongs, surely, not another public holiday (sorry, bank holiday, let's stick to the arcane)at this part of the year?

Igor Belanov

I'd prefer not to choose between two nationalisms, both of which are equally illogical.
Plus, the Magna Carta was simply an agreement temporarily resolving a feudal dispute. It was followed less than 50 years later by a civil war on that very subject. It's hardly a triumph for the common man.


Could we perhaps celebrate Eric Bloodaxe, or Archibald the Grim? The chidren would enjoy that, especially if it involves chocolate.


Didn't Scottish members of the Imperial Class describe themselves as English to the natives back in the 18th/19th century?


Simstim - the phrase was 'North British'. Which makes a point similar to Chris's.

Pete Gray

Perhaps the Scots could celebrate the Declaration of Arbroath? I rather like this bit: "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

Bob B

Ahem: "The Commonwealth of Virginia (named after Queen Elizabeth I of England, who was known as the Virgin Queen) is one of the original thirteen states of the United States that revolted against British rule in the American Revolution. . . Virginia was the first part of the Americas to be colonized permanently by England."


If I had a grown-up blogging tool, I would do a proper trackback, but given that I'm still on Blogger, I hope you'll forgive the link in the comment.

"The question is: which imagined community do you prefer? For me, it's England over Britain."

But for me, I'm afraid, English identity bears so little relation to my imagined (English) regional affiliation that it has to be vice-versa:

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