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July 31, 2006

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Phil

"as Tim says, immigrants spend their wages, thus increasing demand for labour"

I'm sure Tim, like me, has seen stories like this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1790473,00.html

"None of us like strawberry picking," said Svetlana, a Ukrainian student. "Today I have earned £23. But I must pay £35 a week to live in a box with three other people. Perhaps I earn £150 in a week, but when I have paid for food, accommodation, tax, everything, maybe I have £70 for a six days. It's not good".

But I agree with you that restricting the supply of migrants willing to work on terms like that wouldn't stop employers offering terms like that to groups with similarly restricted options. The question is, what would? Less regulation?

Matthew

Why do you call "Jackie Ashley" a "Groan" writer?

angry economist

The main losers are the UK residents and citizens with a marginal attachment to the world of work but who want to work and who are most suited to low/no skill entry-level jobs. They are much more difficult to get into work, and less attractive to employers. But in eras of high labour demand (e.g. 1998ish-2004ish)its easier to get them into work in the face of dwindling supply.

The effect of immigration is not to price the real wage below their threshold, but to push them out with more workers who are more able to secure work, are more work ready, are probably more productive. Thus the workless resident who wants to work has their competitive position pushed downwards, and the immigrant might push them out of the labour market.

What will be interesting to watch is when the labour market slackens, and what happens to immigrant labour demand and supply then.


chris

Phil - surely less regulation would help Svetlana. People like her are vulnerable to exploitation because they are illegal immigrants, and so fear being deported if they complain or change jobs. Legalizing immigration would abolish the power of the gangmasters and human traffickers who exploit her.

1skeptic

Is there any evidence to show that a lack of immigration depresses wages, especially for lower paid workers?

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