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September 28, 2006

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Barry Marshall

"Why is it so easy (apparently) to get people to identify with religion and ethnicity, when Marxists have generally failed for decades to get them to identify with their class?"

Of course the "other lot" - the ruling class - have never had any troule idenitfying with their class, but that's just one issue!

For me the "Marxist" project is about going beyond these definitions: we are and we aren't working class. Being working class, having to sell one's intellectual or physical labour for a living, is something imposed on us by capital and reproduced on a daily basis.

I take the point about fixed identities serving the interests of politicians and self-appointed leaders. In a confusing and fractured world clinging to one facet of our existence might make sense to some. Your ideas about the centre-less and open-endedness of who and what we are seem to lean towards the non-identitarian philosophy of Theodor Adorno.

strange

This might be a bit fasicious but maybe Shehzad Tanweer was deploying comparitive advantage. He felt it was much easier for him to be a good Islamist than a good son, or a good brother, or be good at any of his other identities. So he specialised.

Reaching the Islamist ideal simply meant strapping on a few pounds of explosives and nails then setting them off in place crowded with people he didn't know. Being a good son or brother required a lifetime of hard work. Being a good Islamist was therefore much much easier than any of his other identities, and claimed to offer better rewards (in the afterlife). So his choice could be seen as rational, in a deeply twisted way.

Tim Worstall

'Why is it so easy (apparently) to get people to identify with religion and ethnicity, when Marxists have generally failed for decades to get them to identify with their class?'

Possibly the failure of this part of Marxism is explained within Sen's larger point. That just as we have multiple identities as far as race, culture, background etc go, we also have multiple class identities. We do not therefore identify with any one specific class as at different times and in different situations, we occupy many different ones.

Phil

"Why is it so easy (apparently) to get people to identify with religion and ethnicity, when Marxists have generally failed for decades to get them to identify with their class?"

I think a large part of the answer lies in upbringing, and the pre-rational sense of belonging that it confers. Case in point: I would never cross a picket line; my father was rock-solid Labour and his father was a miner (who went on strike in 1926).

Perhaps radicals are born, not made - there's a depressing thought.

tom zipp

I wonder if uncovering Shezad Tanweer's salient identity will reveal his terrorist motivations?
In Plato's Republic Book II the ancestor of Gyges is a subject of the ruler of Lydia and a shepard. When he finds a magic ring that allows him to become invisible at his will he becomes an adulterer and a regicide. Is this due to his "salient identity" or his soul? Would any shepard in Lydia have done the same or was it only this particular ancestor of Gyges?

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