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February 20, 2008

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Mike Woodhouse

1. If Britain (that's the island, isn't it? Don't we mean the UK?) is too big, let's make it smaller. Full autonomy for Scotland, Wales and NI, independence for Cornwall and Yorkshire (worked for Kosovo, so why not?) and other geographic regions to taste. That should improve homogeneity.

3. I can't believe that the Tories (the party of the bosses, shurely?) are anti-hierarchy, although I'd probably vote for them if it could be shown to be true.

bob

"Ethnic diversity. It's a shameful fact that the desire to help others ... is greater in more ethnically homogenous countries. "

Altruism is close to a monotonically increasing function of the % of genes that are shared between any two organisms so if you think that it's a shame then take it up with mother nature.
I presume that you don't think it a shame that you love your children more than you love other children in your neighborhood.

john b

Altruism is close to a monotonically increasing function of the % of genes that are shared between any two organisms so if you think that it's a shame then take it up with mother nature.

Aye, but skin colour is a *really really rubbish* proxy for the amount of genes that person X has in common with person Y, given the levels of variation found within the population of people from a particular ethnic group.

john b

[damn HTML-stripping blog. First para should obviously be blockquoted]

bob

"Aye, but skin colour is a *really really rubbish* proxy for the amount of genes that person X has in common with person Y"

It's a hint .... and a better one than many others

john b

A better one would be to assume all that people, aside from known relatives, will share roughly the same amount of genes with you as each other. The predictive power of the two strategies is so close as to be indistinguishable, but one involves acting like a despicable c*** and the other one doesn't.

[there's a suggestion that being a bit racist made some sense in the past, because in a close-knit society where everyone's related - think Norfolk - black skin is a genuinely useful indicator that someone's Not From Round Here. But assuming you don't live in Deliverance, it really makes no difference - it's one of those evolutionary traits that we'd do well to transcend, and that most of us are able to transcend most of the time - like murdering the men in the next village and raping the women.]

ajay

Quite. Variation between races is dwarfed by variation within races. The analogy I always like to use is two train carriages. Probably the people in one carriage will have a slightly greater average height (or whatever) than those in the other, but the difference will be tiny compared to the height difference between different people in the same carriage.

Dr Dan H.

What you have to remember with any of these sorts of studies is that the behaviour you're observing is mostly innate instinctive behaviour, i.e. Mk 1 Caveman behaviour, not Modern Civic Human behaviour.

For pretty much all our evolutionary past, humans have lived in small groups and most of the gene interchange has been females moving from one group to another; if you saw a strange man in your area then he was almost certainly up to no good and would get attacked by the local men who'd all be related.

So, people would almost always judge relatedness on how much the strange person resembled people they knew; the people they knew would all be family so that measure would work well as a way of telling if you were helping your kin.

A similar thing would operate in conflicts; the men on any one side would all be related, so genetically losing a number wouldn't matter that much; their genes would live on. This explains why our military operates so effectively; it is using the kin-group defence instincts by forming artificial groups of "kin".

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