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February 14, 2008

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Mark Harrison

... or, in the knowledge of litigation statistics, the employer will be more likely to hire the woman because (s)he knows that hiring the man has a non-zero chance of a discrimination charge being filed.

... or, in the knowledge that OTHER employers have an anti-woman bias, the smart employer will hire the woman on the basis that the imperfect market makes educated women undervalued, and hence there's an arbitrage option.

Both of which are my way of saying that I believe the COMPLEXITY threshold is higher than the bias threshold in many markets.

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Is it really feasible for people to adopt sufficiently strong counter-stereotypical behaviour to overcome these barriers?

More importantly, is the signal reliable? Most people are capable of lying, after all.

dearieme

Sell your current place and then rent in Oakham until you've learnt the lie of the land.

paul ilc

1. Do more research in Oakham before buying
2. Reject women of child-bearing age as employees, but make sure that you have the 'documentation' to back this up. (It's easy when you try, if a drag.)

improbable

I see some role for government here: the provision of childcare and leave, paid for by everyone's taxes, would be one way to remove that particular discrimination, which would otherwise be rational.

The black/white one I'd like to think will wash out, those with preferences beyond competence will have to overpay and thus fall behind.

BGC

CD is trying to explain something that doesn't happen.

Well, let me backtrack a bit. Men and women are different, physically and (or course) behaviourally. So with the same enviroment, we should expect different outcomes including salaries (just as if you control for genes and environment, men will be heavier than women, and taller).

That aside, of you control for relevant variables that affect salary (which is very seldom done) then this compares men and women who share the same employment-relevant characteristics (such as aptitudes and motivation) ... then men and women are on average paid the same

(or women are paid slightly more).

Those are the facts - but there is a heck of a lot of deliberate disinformation around. For example (as Tim Worstall frequently points out) official statistics that people comparing part time women with full time men, or comparing people with different levels of qualifications and so on.

(It's almost asif they *want* to have a gender gap, so they can sell their patent remedies...)

See Why Men Earn More, by Warren Farrell for a summary.

reason

Where I live, there were two attractive houses offered DIRECTLY opposite one another. Then a month of so later, someone was nearly murdered in the same street. Maybe a case of #1. (i.e. Maybe the problem is very LOCAL like an impossible neighbour.)

dearieme

I don't suppose that it costs a lot these days to get rid of an impossible neighbour. So buy first and then get him bumped off.

Mark Wadsworth

Getting back to your own dilemma, the answer is that you should sell-to-rent.

Scott Hughes

I think that overcoming social stereotypes is not statistical as much as it is psychological. Stereotypes are often wrong or misleading, and generalizations do not usually apply to specific circumstances. Generalizations and statistics usually give information only about group trends but tell very little about a specific case--assuming there is even a tiny amount of specific information about the specific case. But to overcome stereotypes you needn't convince the boss through mathematics, you must overcome his psychological assumptions--be they incorrect or correct.

Joe Otten

Scott, ...overcoming the boss's correct psychological assumptions. Good luck with that.

What signal does it send for a man to say he needs time off to look after a sick child. I have done this with a boss who never hired women for this sort of reason. It wasn't pretty. And did my wife get any credit in her job for not taking time off? Unlikely.

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Green Palmer

I also face the risk aversion & statistical discrimination I should avoid it. Thanks for your helpful tips. :)

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