Many good people are urging me to vote today. But I can’t feel motivated to do so.
For one thing, I know very little about European issues. I’ve got a feeling that a key issue - the optimum distribution of power between Brussels and national governments - can be illuminated by the economics of transactions costs, social contracts and public goods. But the election campaign has not, to my knowledge, addressed this.
Indeed, no party has tried much at all. Is Labour standing in the east Midlands? I’ve not received any communication from them. And all I’ve got from the other parties have been very skimpy leaflets. What makes a good MEP? How can I tell which candidates have those qualities? No party’s told me.
I’ve learned more about EU affairs from Clive Matthews than I have from any political party. And if they aren’t making the effort to campaign, why should I make the effort to vote?
I don‘t see how my stating of an ill-informed preference will do anyone any good. And I don’t see the benefits to me personally. It’s trivial that instrumental utility rules out voting - as the risk of being knocked down by a car on the way to the ballot station exceeds the probability that my vote will make a decisive difference. The case for voting (pdf) lies in symbolic rationality - the warm glow you get from identifying with a good cause.
But what good cause is there? There’s much to like about the greens. But do I really want to support multi-faith education or a party whose MEP thinks regulating lap-dancing clubs is important? And am I really confident about the “peak oil” theory or the efficacy of massive investment in renewable energy? No. And the trouble with voting is that it’s an all-or-nothing preference. I can’t give a party two-thirds of a vote.
Which brings me to the BNP question. ScepticIsle says:
For one thing, I know very little about European issues. I’ve got a feeling that a key issue - the optimum distribution of power between Brussels and national governments - can be illuminated by the economics of transactions costs, social contracts and public goods. But the election campaign has not, to my knowledge, addressed this.
Indeed, no party has tried much at all. Is Labour standing in the east Midlands? I’ve not received any communication from them. And all I’ve got from the other parties have been very skimpy leaflets. What makes a good MEP? How can I tell which candidates have those qualities? No party’s told me.
I’ve learned more about EU affairs from Clive Matthews than I have from any political party. And if they aren’t making the effort to campaign, why should I make the effort to vote?
I don‘t see how my stating of an ill-informed preference will do anyone any good. And I don’t see the benefits to me personally. It’s trivial that instrumental utility rules out voting - as the risk of being knocked down by a car on the way to the ballot station exceeds the probability that my vote will make a decisive difference. The case for voting (pdf) lies in symbolic rationality - the warm glow you get from identifying with a good cause.
But what good cause is there? There’s much to like about the greens. But do I really want to support multi-faith education or a party whose MEP thinks regulating lap-dancing clubs is important? And am I really confident about the “peak oil” theory or the efficacy of massive investment in renewable energy? No. And the trouble with voting is that it’s an all-or-nothing preference. I can’t give a party two-thirds of a vote.
Which brings me to the BNP question. ScepticIsle says:
The best reason to get out…is to deny the British National Party even the slightest opportunity of gaining any seats…Voting for any other party, even UKIP or the Christians, is preferable to not turning out when every vote counts.
There are, I think, several counter-arguments to this:
1. My not voting doesn’t affect the share of the electorate that votes for the BNP. It only affects the share of the turn-out it gets. The fact that the latter, not the former, translates into seats is a defect of our electoral system.
2. So what if the BNP does win a seat or two? They’ll gain no real power. Nor will they gain legitimacy; nothing that happens today will change the fact that they’re a bunch of cunts. And such representation needn’t be a platform for them to go onto bigger things. Indeed, the experience of Veritas suggests it could be the opposite. If you give people the oxygen of publicity you increase the chances of them burning to death. Of course, I'd rather the BNP won nothing (or better still, that they didn't exist at all), but I can't see them getting an MEP or two as a disaster.
3. I can’t express a pure anti-BNP preference at the ballot box. I have to support some party. And they will misconstrue such support as a positive endorsement. I can better express anti-BNP sentiment on this blog. (Not that I should need to do so, any more than I need to extol the virtues of bipedalism or having opposable thumbs).
1. My not voting doesn’t affect the share of the electorate that votes for the BNP. It only affects the share of the turn-out it gets. The fact that the latter, not the former, translates into seats is a defect of our electoral system.
2. So what if the BNP does win a seat or two? They’ll gain no real power. Nor will they gain legitimacy; nothing that happens today will change the fact that they’re a bunch of cunts. And such representation needn’t be a platform for them to go onto bigger things. Indeed, the experience of Veritas suggests it could be the opposite. If you give people the oxygen of publicity you increase the chances of them burning to death. Of course, I'd rather the BNP won nothing (or better still, that they didn't exist at all), but I can't see them getting an MEP or two as a disaster.
3. I can’t express a pure anti-BNP preference at the ballot box. I have to support some party. And they will misconstrue such support as a positive endorsement. I can better express anti-BNP sentiment on this blog. (Not that I should need to do so, any more than I need to extol the virtues of bipedalism or having opposable thumbs).
"The case for voting lies in symbolic rationality"
I'm sure there's a vast body of work on this, so my ill-informed ideas are probably going to be unoriginal and long since dealt with, but .... it seems to me there are lots of areas in life where we can see we'd all be better off if everybody did X, even though individually once everybody else is doing X, we have no incentive to do so. So it's sensible (if not rational in the strict sense) for us each to follow the rule 'do X' because we know that leads to a better collective outcome. Doing something because it leads to a better collective outcome doesn't sound to me like doing something because it "gives us a warm glow" but perhaps in your view it amounts to the same thing ... so I'm not sure whether I'm arguing that there is a different rationale to voting than the one you say, or whether I'm agreeing with you.
Posted by: Luis Enrique | June 04, 2009 at 03:01 PM
It's not bloody symbolic. It's about sending signals. That's all anyone in a voting booth can do - send a signal. None of us can be held responsible for how politicians or the media interpret them.
& whilst I'm a great admirer of your postings I really don't think it is true you can best 'express anti-BNP sentiment on this blog' where you are speaking to what in very large part a audience of broadly like minded people.
Get off your arse and go vote Chris.
Posted by: CharlieMcMenamin | June 04, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Well said Charlie.
Voting is a civic duty; a citizen should weigh the issues and vote for whoever he thinks is the best option. Since Chris is cleverer than most people, if he doesn't vote he's lowering the average intellgence of voters, and therefore tending to cause the election to have a worse outcome.
It doesn't matter if you have incomplete knowledge, or if the parties haven't made their case well. It's clear that some choices are better than others, so you should choose one of the better ones (at random if need be).
Posted by: Cabalamat | June 04, 2009 at 06:57 PM
"So what if the BNP does win a seat or two? "
The BNP are vile racists - fascists and Nazi’s if you scratch the surface of the leadership - whose presence in a locality causes a rise in racist attacks. Electoral success will embolden racists. It’s that simple.
Posted by: BenP | June 04, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Chris, as an avid follower, but not until so far commenter, I am disappointed by your failure to vote. It does matter if the BNP gain a seat or two; they gain funds, they do gain legitimacy, they link up with other similarly minded parties in Europe and that's why they make such a big deal out of it themselves.
Even if you can't find a party from the large selection available that suitably reflects your views (which I for one find hard to believe), it is my view that benefits from rejecting the BNP outwiegh the costs of a party misconstruing your vote for them as support.
Posted by: James | June 05, 2009 at 12:37 AM
I think you have a good case, ignore the vote-mongers in comments.
I especially think that "It's about sending signals. That's all anyone in a voting booth can do - send a signal. None of us can be held responsible for how politicians or the media interpret them" is self-defeating. Once it's granted that voting is just about dispatching a bit or two of 'signal' and then letting others interpret it how they want, not voting makes more sense than voting - who cares if some people will choose to interpret it as apathy, if you meant to send a signal of 'no confidence' in the political elite?
Posted by: Alderson Warm-Fork | June 05, 2009 at 08:55 AM
Well, I voted for "Roman. Ave!" party. If that's not sending a signal to mainstream parties, I'm not sure what is...
Posted by: Stuart | June 05, 2009 at 09:58 AM
Chris,
have seen "what voting signals" from Robin Hanson:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/06/what-voting-signals.html
Posted by: Luis Enrique | June 05, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Chris,
You might be interested in this Ticking off politicians and commentators
- my comments on not Euro voting and Iain Dale's misplaced indignation.
Posted by: Pol-e-tics | June 05, 2009 at 02:21 PM
Well that URL above didn't work did it?
Let's try again, from my blog 'Ticking off politicians and commentators':
http://pol-e-tics.blogspot.com/2009/06/ticking-off-politicians-and.html
Posted by: Pol-e-tics | June 05, 2009 at 02:32 PM
S&M: "Many good people are urging me to vote. But I can't feel motivated to do so."
I know that feeling too and couldn't bring myself to vote for any of them yesterday.
New Labourites seem incapable of reaching the obvious insight that all the stuff pouring along the political gutters about Brownites v Blairites relates more to a clash between Personality Cults than to issues of substance. As best I can make out, the greatest contribution that Hazel Blears ever made to the government was her leaving it.
Btw does anyone know whether George Osborne has yet written to Tim Geitner, the US Treasury Secretary, to warn that he is engaged in fiscal insanity with all those boosts to the US economy?
Posted by: Bob B | June 05, 2009 at 03:06 PM
Any readers who (perhaps understandably) may still feel a bit unsure about why MPs' expenses should have generated such a fracas may appreciate this illuminating guide published on the BBC website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7840678.stm
As a statement of the blooming obvious, it appears that the official rules about what were or were not valid expenses for which claims could be made by MPs were rather "vague" and provided much scope for (re)interpretation.
In an important respect, this is rather curious as the rules for expenses in the so-called Green Book date back about five years (as I understand it) so their failings should have been fairly evident for quite a while in any independent inspection. Another curious factor is that the rules in all their vagueness were devised and approved by a congregation of our professional legislators, which can't inspire much confidence on the part of the electorate in the professional competence of their elected legislators. What remains unclear to me is why Gordon Brown should be picked out as especially blameworthy.
Posted by: Bob B | June 05, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Update:
By this and several other separate accounts in the media, Gordon Brown's current problems in leading the Labour Party stem from an attempted Blairite coup - which Diane Abbott has described as "premeditated":
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/05/blairite-coup-brown
Posted by: Bob B | June 06, 2009 at 06:26 PM