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December 11, 2011

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Jonathan

Although your were somewhat disdainful of their efforts, Wilkinson and Pickett make similar points in 'The Spirit Level' - evidence from OECD countries and across US states indicates that there's more than one way to egalitarianism, including relatively small govt cases but with labour market institutions that produce relatively low wage inequality. Within living memory Britain was moderately egalitarian, so I'm not sure how deeply embedded in our culture current conditions really are.

Strategist

>>>Although it is technically possible to reconcile small government or fiscal conservatism with greater equality, the UK lacks the cultural underpinnings which would permit this happy combination.

>>>high educational standards are achieved not by increased spending, but by a culture which values schooling - and the UK lacks this.

What's really interesting about the Scots Nats is that they are making an argument that they do have these cultural underpinnings and so can have a bloody good go at becoming a high trust society - so long as they can get out of the UK.

I'm English born & bred and I don't know if it's true or not - but I certainly wish them all the best with it. An independent Scotland could be crony capitalism at its worst (think Sir Fred Goodwin), or it could be a rare experiment in applied idealism. Something worth fighting for, and capable of bringing out the best in the Scots.

blissex

I very much agree that things like equality and schooling come down mostly to values. Unfortunately many people have tribal or defeatist attitudes.

For the tribal attitudes to things like equality and social insurance, a link to a set of cartoons about the Irish from over a century ago:

http://irishstereotype.blogspot.com/2010/01/racism-anti-irish-cartoons.html

which could be republished today with just minimal caption changes. The cartoons were clearly elite propaganda, the usual technique to persuade the middle and working classes that they are being exploited by the underclasses, not by the upper classes, but they resonated.

Matthew

You should probably note those ginis are after the imapact of govt transfers (which is the correct measure). It would be useful to see how they correlate to changes in the gini between original and pre tax/spend income.

With Norway, a commonly used measure is 'mainland GDP', which is the GDP excluding oil/gas (and in which 99% of the population work). Public spending as a % of that is comparable (or perhaps higher) than France.

aragon

So Labour just need to fix the economy and grow social capital.

Simples!

Unless you are 'In the Black Labour' when it becomes impossible.

Oops...

Tim Newman

Strong trades unions. These not only raise the pay of the worst off, but also help restrain top pay.

This assumes the worst off are in employment and union members. Big assumption, that.

Robert

I don't know if you read this and forgot it or not. But I made the same point with OECD data in June 2010: http://robertvienneau.blogspot.com/2010/06/correlation-between-increased.html.

I find it cool that one can do this sort of analysis, given hardly anything more than a web browser.

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