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October 18, 2013

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Shinsei1967

Foreign travel is much cheaper today than back when I was starting univ in 1986. Plenty of my (minor public) school friends had never travelled further than car-ferry holidays to France or Italy.

Restaurants and booze are much cheaper and greater variety than 25 years ago. Cambridge in 1986 had chain pizza restaurants, Indians and dodgy Greek tavernas. That was it, until Old Orleans opened.

I went back recently and was told hardly any students eat in Hall these days as they eat out or buy M&S meals for a tenner.

As for booze it was beer in pubs or bottles of eastern European wine. The aisles and aisles of decent New World wine for a fiver that every supermarket now sells was unknown.

EpicureanDeal

I'd rather be a 25 year-old in 1988 knowing what I do today. Is that choice on offer?

DuncanStott

Each generation should have it better than the last. What's the point in human endeavour if we aren't doing that?

It should be unquestionably better for this generation than the previous one. If you're having doubts then something has gone horribly wrong.

Luke

ED, well, yes, I'd like to have bought a few pounds worth of Apple shares in 1990...

Fifer

While there was certainly plenty job insecurity in the 80s, the problem of positional goods appears to have worsened considerably.

Many 30/40-somethings are loaded with mortgage debt while today's 25 year-olds are being asked to pay the same high prices and hope interest rates don't rise for at least a decade.

Many of today's 18 year-olds will be 40p tax payers on average wages in effect thanks to tuition fees.

With so many retiring over the next decade, hopefully wage earners will finally be able to grab some of that GDP- I certainly don't see government trying to shift cash from the retired to youth any time soon.

rogerh

Maybe we should look around the world - young people in China, India, and the Phillipines seem much better off than a generation before. Spain, Italy, France seem a bit worse off. Closer to home information and entertainment are more plentiful and glossy (but trivial) gadgets abound. But the chances of a decent home, a stable job and a pension seem much worse. Still, an Ipad still works in a cardboard box (aka affordable housing). On balance - worse off.

SK

The main costs are:
-Food
-Rents
-House Prices

Think for all 3 above, today 25-yo are far worse than in 1988.

Boffy

In the 1970's, when I went to University, only 2% of the population in total had degrees. So although those of us who went to University got a grant, and no tuition fees, the vast majority of the population didn't get to go to University, so they were worse off than today.

When I left school there was high levels of unemployment like today, and that continued through the 1970's, getting much worse in the 80's, and inflation ran at 20% plus.

House prices were also high in the 80's compared to what they had been in the 50's and 60's, and early 70's. I got married when I was 20 and my wife was 18, so we were earning very little. But, we lived frugally for 3 years in a flat, and saved £5,000 - equivalent today of probably about £70,000 - to buy our first house for cash, before I went to University.

The main beneficiaries have been people who bought houses in the 60's to early 80's. Wage inflation eroded the capital value of their mortgages. If they had sense they took advantage to be able to save, building up a pension etc - though it depends if you were able to take that before annuity rates dropped.

The main problem for young people today is the high cost of housing, but that bubble cannot be kept up much longer. Help to Buy is a last gasp. House prices will collapse by up to 80% eventually, so the apparent good fortune of older people, which is an illusion will disappear.

I suspect that the beneficial effects of much lower housing costs on the value of labour-power and profits will facilitate employment growth too.

Boffy

Luke,

£1,000 of Microsoft shares in 1980 would have been even better.

Luke

Boggy, sure you're right.

Not sure I had £1000 in 1980 when I was 15. Just following "what I know now" Vs "what I knew when I was 25" (though probably not what the Epicurean Dealmaker meant).

Staberinde

Let's not forget that it's the boomer generation who wanted so many young people to become graduates, so the economy could support people pottering in garden and drooling in care homes for 20 years. If I were 18 I'd probably take umbrage at having to take on £50K of debt for the privilege of letting my parents' generation maintain their death-grip on the country's housing stock.

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