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July 04, 2020

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ltr

July 4, 2020

Coronavirus

UK

Cases   ( 284,900)
Deaths   ( 44,198)

Would evidence-based policy explain this disastrous response to the coronavirus or the intolerable 15.5% deaths to confirmed cases ratio.

Should we commend Boris Johnson?

ltr

That the British media, nor Labour nor academics with the exception of Simon Wren-Lewis are willing to criticize Conservatives for the disastrous response to the coronavirus is astonishing and disheartening to me. This speaks decidedly poorly of British democracy and proper valuing and concern even for British health.

Jim

Rigorous and fearless - as if. Imagine some project is proposed, consultants are called in, eventually a kickoff meeting with a civil servant. Any sane consultant will find out what they want the answer to be, no good having to re-fudge your report and evidence to get your invoice past the paymaster. Ask 'and what is the view of the Minister'.

Very rarely the question will be a genuine question - what is this or that all about. Much more often some 'line' has been decided, your job is to make sure your report backs that up. Conflicts frequently arise, find out who holds the purse strings. So much for evidence based, life is too short to discover 'the truth' when it comes to politics.

Which brings me to Gove. Remember the Free Schools saga. What is not so remembered are the teachers who were in Gove's way and got pushed out. So they went to tribunal and usually won (excellent Ofsted results etc). Big payouts, long faces at local authorities and NDAs all round. Gove sailed blithly on and we don't ask whether the Free Schools turned out to be much better.

Consult any lawyer and you will find he who controls the evidence controls the trial. Therein lies the rub with government jobs. As if sorting fact from fiction were not enough, having bosses with an agenda and control of what is an acceptable answer makes 'evidence and data based' decision making the stuff of fairyland. Expect little from Gove and Dommy.

Dipper

Oh look people criticising the Government's performance on Covid, like they are the masters of Covid, like they have this virus fully understood, know it's every feature, and have an ability to model public policy and understand its effects and collateral consequences in infinite detail.

Cases ( 284,900)

What is a 'case'? Is someone who has been exposed but generated no symptoms or antibodies and doesn't now have the virus a case? Do they need antibodies to be a case? And if we are widely testing and 'actual' incidence is low, then aren't we just picking up false positives?

Alastair Campbell is all over this virus, expertly using his degree in Modern Languages to navigate the intricacies of virus biology and the complexities of the immune system like he's James Frigging Watson. Yeah lets just do what he says.

And where's that second wave all you critics have been promising me every time someone pops out to walk the dog?

ltr

July 4, 2020

Coronavirus (Deaths per million)

Belgium ( 843)
UK ( 651)
Spain ( 607)
Italy ( 576)

Sweden ( 537)
France ( 458)
US ( 400)
Netherlands ( 357)

Ireland ( 353)
Canada ( 230)
Switzerland ( 227)
Luxembourg ( 176)

Portugal ( 157)
Germany ( 108)
Denmark ( 105)
Austria ( 78)

Finland ( 59)
Norway ( 46)
Greece ( 18)

[ I suppose that evidence-based coronavirus policy for Boris Johnson and Conservatives means all those other British dying. ]

ltr

Conservative policy on protecting the British against the coronavirus has been disastrous, but the routine failure of writers beyond Simon Wren-Lewis to point this out tells me there is an important weakness in British democracy or the British understanding and appreciation of human rights. We really did need to be properly protected against the spread of the coronavirus, but that was evidently unclear to our governors.

When then is the criticism?

ltr

As for my criticism of Conservative coronavirus policy, I have been frightened for my family and myself through this period and I really do not care to be frightened because I have no sense the government cares a fig about my family or me. Actually I have no sense now that Labour cares either.

A chilling sense of British government now.

Dipper

@ ltr

yes I get you are worried about this. I'm not that enthusiastic about getting it myself. But its not as though Johnson stood for election on a promise to introduce a pandemic if he got elected.

Neither you nor I know what it is that determines how much, or how rapidly, this spreads and what determines whether people hardly notice it or die form it. The stats don't mean much, as we cannot trust the comparisons as they aren't done on a like for like basis, and countries are not identical.

What would you have the government do? Lockdown until there's a vaccine? We could still be here in fifty years time waiting for a vaccine whilst society has collapsed around us.

Covid shows us the difficulty of evidence based policy. Science works from performing experiments under controlled conditions, or conditions that can be precisely characterised and differences understood. It works through having reliable measurement techniques for well understood features, which are precisely defined. We have hardly any of that right now for Covid

Science is really hard and I'm not claiming to have been particularly good at it. But these clowns calling the odds on Covid are just making themselves look stupid at best and malicious at worst.

ltr

Dipper,

I do appreciate the thoughtful and kind response, and am much more satisfied taking the perspective you offer. The need I realize has been to feel as though decisions made for us were "personally" made.

I am grateful for and comfortable with your "kind" response.

Dipper

ltr - thanks for your comment - appreciated. Hope this virus avoids you and your family and that somehow we can get through this quickly and get back to 'normal'.

ltr

Hope this virus avoids you and your family and that somehow we can get through this quickly and get back to 'normal'.

[ Perfect and the same, and as for "normal" there will be changes for us collectively and personally and I am quite unsure what either will be but am thinking.

Chris Dillow should help us think the coming normal through.

Be careful and well, and remind those about you as I will. ]

John Street

I like your post - excellent food for thought.

Robert Mitchell

Hedging does not need evidence. You can bet on a stock moving up and also bet it will move down, and get out of both trades while one of them gives you a greater profit than the other cost. Butterflies may have mediocre returns but when you're leveraged, even 10 basis points on a trade can be worthwhile.

D

Typos.

2 * "one" instead of "on" in last para

aragon

Re:Original Post.

Are the systems that complex in aggregate?

What mental model do the three (Boris, Dom and Micheal (Gove)) have? (aka UK Government)

Action orientated but no coherent sense of direction, lazier fare, and it will be alright on the night (blind faith)?

Polices depend on beliefs, but Boris does not have them (either of them).

https://www.economist.com/free-exchange/2009/04/29/in-defense-of-the-gaussian-copula

"You can have the most complicated and complete model in the world to explain asset correlation, but if you calibrate it assuming housing prices won't fall on a national level, the model cannot hedge you against that happening."

"housing prices won't fall on a national level" - Who would have thunk it?

"but that banks began to hold mortgage assets on their balance sheets"

No Banks sold CDO's to investors...

"it screams incompetence."

No comment required.

"But like many useful innovations, when it is exploited by the wrong people it can cause great harm."

Like people with the wrong mental models or world view...

Finance is not the place to find successful data driven outcomes.

Black-Scholes-Merton (BSM) turned out well?
Long Term Capital Management - turned out to be pretty short term.

Of course Michael Gove should be scanning the horizon not examining in detail his own feet. Especially the one in his mouth.

All that remains of the UK economy is an empty husk, all that is left, is for the parasite known as Finance to die, having killed it's host.

It's the 'vision thing' and Singapore is not it. Sorry to obtuse but it's early

Lee

The people are sovereign.
Not Johnston
Not the Tories
Not the Govt
Not Londinium
But the people.

The living will of the people is violated everytime these autocratic clowns are allowed to fester.

The people have no means of removing deadbeats.

The people should decide every detail by vote.

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