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October 24, 2021

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Boyo

“ One of the great political changes of my adult lifetime has been the right’s abandonment of free market economics”.

Which elite?

Within the UK there was a civil war between 2 elites; the financier and rentier classes.

It’s maybe a mark of our mature democracy that we didn’t descend into civil war, which can happens when elites fall out.

rsm

Isn't the Lockean Proviso necessary for free markets? Shouldn't I always have the option to self-provision on common land? Is basic income the least we can do to compensate us for the enclosure that has taken away our natural right to survive outside of markets?

《This showed that mortgage derivatives –products intended to reduce risk – actually increased systemic risk (pdf) and made the financial system as a whole less manageable》

Are MBS and other derivatives still in the hundreds of trillions of dollars, because we figured out that the Fed can insure any risk?

Blissex

«Within the UK there was a civil war between 2 elites; the financier and rentier classes.»

Actually between the allied finance and property rentiers on one side, and the productive business rentiers on the other.

As it turned out that productive businesses were breeding grounds for trade union infections, the finance and property rentiers won as large parts of productive businesses were destroyed to extirpate the trade unions that had infected them, fatally weakening the business rentier interests.

Gerry Mulligan

How to organise our economy to the democratic advantage of the people while keeping the positive attributes of “free market” dynamics is the main preoccupation of many of us Labour centralists ?

Jim

Maybe it is possible that 'the market' is now much flatter and more open to everybody in the world. Skilled jewellers and mathematicians and financiers can be found anywhere. The only barrier now is how well they are coupled to the global markets. I think one effect of this is to reduce the market price for work in the UK. Worse, high property prices drive away those who might provide work and force those who would live here into uncongenial work. But property prices must be kept high to attract property investors and to keep incumbent mortgagees on side. A cleft stick.

Then there is very little in the world that is new. Research is useful but unlikely to result in astounding breakthroughs, just lots of incremental improvements. No Starships or Time Machines, just rich men's toys and satellite launchers. Improvements that more or less anyone can do anywhere. Further, we face intractable problems with transport and energy. I doubt anyone believes in Johnson's predictions of Net Zero. The name of the game is to lie and obfuscate for the next decade and seek ways to dump the cost on other people before they dump the cost on us. Then more of the same until something (nasty?) turns up.

Flatter markets amd less freedom.

ltr

How can we increase economic democracy and people’s real control over their economic lives without damaging too much the genuine good that markets do as technologies of allocation? Hardly anybody in politics, however, is interested in this.

[ Brilliant essay, brilliantly summed. ]

Blissex

«But property prices must be kept high to attract property investors and to keep incumbent mortgagees on side.»

I suspect that if there is any substance to the "high wage" talk, it is that a wage boost is needed to enable higher rents and house prices, in effect redistributing from business profits via higher wages to property rents,

Our blogger's talk of the myth of "free markets" a fantasy, many markets are strongly rigged, for example via the BoE credit gusher and control of interest rates.

ltr

«But property prices must be kept high to attract property investors and to keep incumbent mortgagees on side.»

Chinese policy is now being expressly designed to limit property prices and attract buyer-occupiers rather than speculators:

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1237255.shtml

October 25, 2021

Homeowners sell off extra units following China’s property tax pilot plan
Pilot property tax plan to reduce multiple dwelling ownership: experts
By Qi Xijia and Liu Yang

Blissex

«to organise our economy to the democratic advantage of the people while keeping the positive attributes of “free market” dynamics is the main preoccupation of many of us Labour centralists ?»

That "Labour centralists" if one takes literally and generously the "main preoccupation" means "corbynists".

If however "Labour centralists" means "New Labour centrists", the "main preoccupation" is to keep housing cost inflation high and labor wages and pensions low.

rsm

《 the "main preoccupation" is to keep housing cost inflation high and labor wages and pensions low.》

Are markets rising higher than housing costs, so investors can afford them?

《the allied finance and property rentiers on one side, and the productive business rentiers on the other.》

Isn't this the big problem for Blissex: who determines what is productive rent and what is socially unuseful rent? Xi Jinping, maybe? Is one man's "socially useful" livestock rent my poison? Do I get a say, or does Blissex get to silence me?

@ltr: do Chinese homes come lockdown-ready these days, so Xi Jinping can lock ppl in at any time, for any reason? (CNN headline: "Fresh lockdowns in China as local Covid-19 infections spread to 11 provinces")

Blissex

«the right’s abandonment of free market economics»

Sometimes our blogger's wykehamism seems a bit comical to me, as in the laughable statement that the "the right" (whatever that is) ever really cared about "free market economics" except in the case where their "sponsors" benefited from "free markets".

«as illustrated by the government imposing trade frictions within the UK and putting up the tax burden»

Oh really? Our blogger has mentioned them previously very occasionally, but here 40 years of heavy handed interference in "the markets" to pump up asset prices and the profits of the finance and property sectors, including several hundred billions to refill the bonus pools of the City, seem rather more relevant to me. That "trade frictions within the UK" is a rather small thing, and so are the tax increases on workers, compared to the huge amounts spent on interfering in the property and finance markets,

«an awareness that markets are no longer the foundation of freedom we once thought they were?»

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one! I remember a buy with a big beard writing:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm
“The one with an air of importance, smirking, intent on business; the other, timid and holding back, like one who is bringing his own hide to market and has nothing to expect but — a hiding.”

Perhaps markets give *some* general freedoms if the market power of sellers and buyers is equal and small, when they are all "price takers" as in the axioms of neoclassical Economics, but that is rather the exception. In general they give freedom only to the those with market power, for example owners in the UK property markets, or employers in the UK labour markets.

Taking as given that there was a prelapsarian golden age in which nobody had greater market power so that markets were the “foundation of freedom” is a very good joke.

Describing the markets as a “foundation of freedom” is a classic claim by victorian Liberals, who compared them to the many special case restrictions of tory feudalism, so that relatively speaking they were, however unbalanced in favour of big business, somewhat more free. But to make that claim in 2021, rather than in 1821, reminds me of what a "whig" like Peter Mandelson said in 2002:

“in the urgent need to remove rigidities and incorporate flexibility in capital, product and labour markets, we are all Thatcherites now”

aragon

And Thatcherism ripped up the Social Contract and accommodating Capital is destroying Social Democracy.

Finance is destroying the West as there greed pursues short-term paper profits.

Corrupting the law, business/accounting and destroying peoples lives outside the financial elite, whom deploy limitless resources until Sterling is totally debased.

The EU labelled the UK and US as centres of money laundering but that will only support the City of London.

It even has a title: "Singapore on the Thames".


aragon

Exhibit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/26/uk-shares-property-capital-gains-tax


""The chancellor doesn’t just decide how much money to raise, he also has to choose how to do it fairly. So far he has raised taxes on those who work to earn a living, in order to protect those who live off income from wealth," Advani said."

[...]

"The former Conservative chancellor Nigel Lawson introduced parity between capital gains and income taxes in 1988, but this was unpicked a decade later by his Labour successor, Gordon Brown."

So much for New Labour!

ltr

"Singapore on the Thames"

Singapore and Ireland have used competitive tax policy to build wealthier and more equitable societies than the UK. Singapore in particular has a remarkably well balanced economy and sharply limits real estates price increases. Ireland too is economically diversifying.

ltr

Truly distressing:

October 28, 2021

Coronavirus

United Kingdom

Cases ( 8,936,155)
Deaths ( 140,206)

Deaths per million ( 2,051)

China

Cases ( 96,938)
Deaths ( 4,636)

Deaths per million ( 3)

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