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October 12, 2021

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Blissex

There seems to be quite a bit of neoliberal framing here, my impression is that out author is comfortable with these assumptions:

* Compensation is determined by skill.
* Supply and demand schedules for a skill meet at some point.

Then he quibbles about what constitutes "skill", having conceded the whole framing.

My experience instead is:

* Supply and demand schedules are wide (and wobbly) bands, with a fairly large region of feasible prices where they meet, because of various informational issues and there being a range of production and consumption possibilities.

* At which price point(s) in the feasible region where the two bands meet is largely determined by the balance of *power* between buyers and sellers rather than how much a skill is valued.

Perhaps one can argue that the valuing of a skill depends on that balance of power as in:

«In some jobs, we pay the bare minimum for the bare quality of work. In others, we pay extra for “talent”. Which it is can be a matter of power and preferences, not just technical ability»

but our author spends much more of his argument on skills than power (that is the only mention of "power").

Phil

Re the footballers being paid more despite not having increased productivity or ability, what changed was the marketplace - more people want to see them (and have the resources to do so), so they're in effect selling more product, just as a musician playing to a stadium rather than a pub will make more money from the same output. Are they valued more highly? Arguably, but definitely more widely.

Blissex

«what changed was the marketplace - more people want to see them (and have the resources to do so), so they're in effect selling more product»

More precisely they are collecting a share of an increased economic rent, created by law. Having more viewers of a copyrighted performance does not increase the value added of working two shifts in a football match...

Indeed since the ostensible product of a football match is "number of goals scored" an argument can be made that the value added is less than zero (the cost of performing match results in no output, so it is a total loss) :-). Of course the real product is entertainment, but still..

Kevin Carson

The neoclassical concept of "marginal product" is entirely circular. Marginal product is whatever the cost of an input adds to the value of a finished good, which means its marginal product is whatever its owner can charge for it -- something that results mainly from power considerations under capitalism. The "value" comes from what Veblen called "capitalized disserviceability," and Henry George Jr. called "controlling access to natural opportunities." Neoclassical economics and capitalist ideology are power-blind.

Kevin Carson

In addition, a huge amount of the "skills" that are valued are only necessary given the institutional structure of capitalism -- the knowledge and incentive problems, moral hazards, and other irrationalities that result from absentee ownership by people other than those who do the productive work and possess the situational knowledge, all the bean-counting and guard labor resulting from concentrated wealth and inequality, and all the waste production and distribution costs resulting from a mass-production/push-distribution system that requires production capacity to be utilized regardless of demand.

rsm

So, prices are arbitrary, inflation is a power play, why can't the Fed value each of us at an inflation-proofed basic income floor?

《It’s easy to imagine – unless you’ve been captured by capitalist realism – a society that is reasonably egalitarian simply because it values cleaners and care workers more and bosses, financiers and bullshit jobs less.》

Can't you use your words and example to spread your vision, rather than punitive statist control measures (basic income is differently statist because it strives for nonviolence and noninterference, which is why its non-tax funding is crucial)?

《many bankers seemed skilled before 2008 because we under-rated the risk pollution they were generating.》

Haven't we simply learned that public liquidity backstops are limitless?

《More precisely they are collecting a share of an increased economic rent, created by law.》 (Blissex)

Could the players play on their own, for free (because they get a generous basic income, say), letting anyone stream it?

Blissex

«a musician playing to a stadium rather than a pub will make more money from the same output»

That is, "more money from the same output" is usually one of the signs of economic rent: the "normal" situation is that to increase sales one has to increase output, that is to earn more "value" one has to produce more "value".

Sometimes I think that economic rent is a bigger issue, especially today in England with booming property and finance profits, than the marxian exploitation of workers by business owners.

That bearded guy even wrote:

"In present-day society, the instruments of labor are the monopoly of the landowners (the monopoly of property in land is even the basis of the monopoly of capital) and the capitalists. [...] In England, the capitalist class is usually not even the owner of the land on which his factory stands."

Blissex

«Could the players play on their own, for free (because they get a generous basic income, say), letting anyone stream it?»

Usually "rsm"'s comments/questions seem to me to cover the range between "quite" useless to "very" useless, but I think that this one is "amazingly" useless, a peak in its (useless...) genre. :-)

Chosen randomly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6qgdADfI0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FvnzbtSgIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DuP8pFdwo

Hugh Mann

"We can raise the wages of the low-paid not by creating shortages or by hiking up the minimum but by a shift in what we valorize and don’t."

1) File under "Marxism as a servant of capital".

2) Q. When did "supply and demand" drop out of economists' lexicon?

A. Around 2005, I forget what happened then. There's one exception though, the "global market for scarce top talent" which justifies enormous salaries.

3) "Valorization" Ugh! Have we moved to the States?

rsm

https://youtu.be/LfduUFF_i1A

rsm

To clarify my question: why is rent a problem, if I don't have to pay it, but have basic income money to pay it if i wanted?

ltr

October 14, 2021

Coronavirus

United Kingdom

Cases ( 8,317,439)
Deaths ( 138,237)

Deaths per million ( 2,023)

China

Cases ( 96,478)
Deaths ( 4,636)

Deaths per million ( 3)

[ What a tragedy. ]

ltr

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/world/europe/uk-covid-deaths-inquiry.html

October 12, 2021

Britain’s Covid Missteps Cost Thousands of Lives, Inquiry Finds
Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s slowness last year to impose a lockdown and institute widespread testing had tragic results, according to a parliamentary report.
By Shashank Bengali

LONDON — Britain’s initial response to the Covid-19 pandemic “ranks as one of the most important public health failures the United Kingdom has ever experienced,” a parliamentary inquiry reported on Tuesday, blaming the government for “many thousands of deaths which could have been avoided.”

In a highly critical, 151-page report, two committees of lawmakers wrote that the government’s failure to carry out widespread testing or swiftly impose lockdowns and other restrictions amounted to a pursuit of “herd immunity by infection” — accepting that many people would get the coronavirus and that the only option was to try to manage its spread....

[ Tragedy on tragedy. ]

ltr

We can raise the wages of the low-paid not by creating shortages or by hiking up the minimum but by a shift in what we valorize and don’t....

[ Really excellent. ]

anicow

Sometimes I think that economic rent is a bigger issue, especially today in England with booming property and finance profits, than the marxian exploitation of workers by business owners.

rsm

Why not use finance to virtualize rents so land becomes free to share again? Isn't your fertility rate well below replacement in England? If financiers are distracted by virtual rents on govies, etc., will they just move on from land, because financial goods return higher? As the population drops and finance virtualizes everything, land becomes abundant again?

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