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March 01, 2024

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Peter Fitzgerald

I have explained to people the notion of historical materialism without calling it that and simplifying the language. Many deem it a reasonable explanation. They do an about turn when you mention Marx and the term historical materialism. There was a similar reaction to Spinoza. Many didn't realise they were Spinozists or knew it, but kept quiet about it.

Jan Wiklund

Well, Marx was a social scientist in the 19th century who "knew as much as he knew" as Immanuel Wallerstein had it. Taking some of his staindpoints and findings doesn't make one a marxist now, 150 years later, more than accepting for example Antonio Serra's notion about economies of scale makes one a serrist. Science grow by inputs from different people and some of it sticks.

Perhaps it is better to accept that some of Marx's ideas is mainstream now (while others aren't), and not need any label.

rsm

Can I agree with Schumpeter, who said he was as impatient with those who can't get beyond Marx, as he was with those who can not even get as far as Marx?

《we need to restructure property rights - reducing those of patent-holders, landlords and monopolists and big tech - because existing ones constrain growth.》

What if the government just buys enough land as it comes on markets to restore the Lockean Proviso so that those of us who do not want to cooperate with "growth" have the option to self-provision on commons?

Blissex

«Mrs Thatcher. The defining feature of her government was the belief that production relations had become a fetter on growth, and that these had to (and could) change.»

The typical tory is marxist to a fault, for example because tories and whigs are fully persuaded of the centrality of class, and also of the argument that the income of feudalists and capitalists comes from extracting surplus from the workers, and therefore their policies aim at increasing that extraction; so they label as COMMUNISM! anything that might reduce that extraction, for example Corbyn's proposed policies.

Indeed I usually quote Bernard de Mandeville (which was cited by Karl Marx) as the main tory/whig theorists of the desirability of extracting profit from workers:

“Essay on charity" (1724): “The Plenty and Cheapness of Provisions depends in a great measure on the Price and Value that is set upon this Labour, and consequently the Welfare of all Societies, even before they are tainted with Foreign Luxury, requires that it should be perform’d by such of their Members as in the first Place are sturdy and robust and never used to Ease or Idleness, and in the second, soon contented as to the necessaries of Life; [...] From what has been said, it is manifest, that, in a free nation, where slaves are not allowed of, the surest wealth consists in a multitude of laborious poor; [...] To make the society happy and people easier under the meanest circumstances, it is requisite that great numbers of them should be ignorant as well as poor”

Kevin A. Carson

Doctorow's never opposed calls for breaking up tech platforms, as such. But his emphasis is overwhelmingly on the solution of adversarial interoperability.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/06/adversarial-interoperability-reviving-elegant-weapon-more-civilized-age-slay

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