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August 26, 2024

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Kevin A. Carson

As James Scott pointed out, Taylorism was invented to minimize worker discretion and reliance on the worker's distributed knowledge -- even at the cost of reduced efficiency.
The reason is that discretion cannot be safely entrusted in someone who knows their interests are directly opposed to yours.

Blissex

«Did companies build such sinks deliberately, or did they just emerge (as so many things do) through trial and error?»

That often is a false dichotomy: a lot of things emerge semi-spontaneously, and then those that are welcome by whoever is in charge get endorsed and expanded, and those that are unwelcome get opposed and repressed. So my impression is that many things are both spontaneous at the beginning and become deliberate later.

Consider "wokeism": it used to be the spontaneous obsession of a fringe, then when corporate executives found it was useful it became endorsed and expanded by corporate media and corporate HR departments and corporate "sponsored" politicians.

Blissex

«Corporate systems and processes have reduced employees and managers' freedom, agency and autonomy.»

For whom? Whether it is for everybody or whether they enhance the power of those who can define "systems and processes" to suit themselves is a big deal.

«And yet these values have for centuries been highly prized.»

For whom? They have been prized for "people of quality" and not so prized for the "little people".

«that brings the legitimacy of capitalism into question»

I guess that our blogger reckons that capitalism superceded feudalism thanks to its greater legitimacy and not because of a hard class struggle by capitalists against feudalists where the capitalists won because they were stronger rather than more legitimate.

What brings ("private") capitalism into question is whether it is still the "natural" social form for the industrial mode of production now that the industrial mode of production is now longer expanding thanks to increasing and more efficient use of mineral fuels.

Blissex

«"rationalist and unheroic" bureaucrats who are "ill equipped to face the problems, both domestic and international, that have normally to be faced by a country of any importance,"»

This and other parts of this blog post seem to me to refer implicitly to the idea of "hypernormalisation", where real world complexity has become so great that the ruling classes of developed countries have given up trying to handle it and have tried to manage it by repression and deception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation

rsm

Why isn't it as obvious to anyone else that the purpose of capitalism to manufacture money (capital)?

In 2008 when the market had a collective panic attack, why shouldn't the Fed have created the liquidity that the private sector had, irrationally and emotionally, withdrawn due to contagion and spreading panic effects (not due to changing values of the underlying assets themselves which were minor compared to the contagion effects on assets that were good before the crises and are good again now)?

Why should traditional old economic growth be our goal? Why not encourage finance as offering distractions that employ humans in less destructive pursuits of fictitious goods, rather than trying to make money by creating real goods that inevitably come with environmental externalities that are far more consequential than mere stock trading?

Can financial capitalism save the planet by distracting enough people who would otherwise mess up the real world, with the trading of purely virtual products?

Boy

I’ve been reading the book of late and it’s helpful to see your thoughts here. The most thought provoking and alarming insight for me is that these systems are under nobody’s control - and in a sense are artificial intelligence, which in complex systems, we don’t really understand either. Some points to add:

Firstly, in the context of climate change, this is interesting: leaders posture, creating a pretense of control, but in reality even Biden, or Starmer, or Xi have as little power as a pet goldfish over emissions levels. They are as much bystanders, despite the nice speeches and suits, as you or I.

Secondly, there is a sort of meta interaction of out of control systems. Which feels like chaos. Can we apply POSIWID to this?

Lastly, POSIWID has a feel of self-fulfilling prophecy. With a shrug of our shoulders, we resign ourselves to the little agency we have and we thereby participate in the prophecy, leading to the question: is a system of thought which encourages people to believe it is outside of any man’s control, the very purpose of that system? POSIWID!


Boy

@Blissex

> where real world complexity has become so great that the ruling classes of developed countries have given up trying to handle it and have tried to manage it by repression and deception.

I’m not sure that for most participating bureaucrats it’s deliberate repression and deception, but more a case of their believing the stories they’re told due to conformist personality-type, possibly combined with a cognitive dissonance. As humans we cling to beliefs in our agency and free will. But these might well be fictions.

Blissex

"I’m not sure that for most participating bureaucrats it’s deliberate repression and deception, but more a case of their believing the stories they’re told"

There are huge differences between ruling, governing and administering and modt bureaucrats merely administer so which stories they believe do not matter.

The trusties who govern and make short term decisions and the masters/oligarchs who make long term decisions are quite deliberate and well briefed by strategists and think-tanks.

Jan Wiklund

Another book of the same theme is Jerry Muller's The tyranny of metrics: When the bosses don't have any clue at all, (because "boss" is thought to be a profession in itself that doesn't need any knowledge of what the organization is doing) they rule by numbers, like the drunk looking for his key at the lamppost because it is lightest there.

Old technocrats were at least raised in the businesses they led, and knew how they worked, by silent knowledge. They were replaced by economists when the rentiers took over in the 70s-80s, and they had to rely on automatic, and therefore unaccountable, processes which they didn't understand.

Blissex

«they had to rely on automatic, and therefore unaccountable, processes which they didn't understand»

For people of power and wealth "understand" is a rather secondary concern, "makes me money" is a rather stronger concern, and they made a lot of money over the past few decades. Lots and lots of money, POSIWID!.


What is still surprising for me is how many people including our blogger talk about abstract generalities like "austerity", "decline", etc. despite the overwhelming evidence that a large minority of the population, those in power for the past 4-5 decades, has been doing very well. POSIWID!

The side effects on others like employees and customers are rather less important than even "understand" for those who have been in power during the past 4-5 decades.

«When the bosses don't have any clue at all, (because "boss" is thought to be a profession in itself that doesn't need any knowledge of what the organization is doing)»

Which "bosses"? Perhaps operations managers "don't have clue at all", but the private fund managers, their accountants and lawyers, and the CFOs they place into their targets are as a rule very sharp and competent and understand very well all the fine details of asset stripping, tax loopholes, offshore havens, shell companies, political donations, PFI deals, accounting dodges; these people have been making a lot of money.

Boy

@Blissex: I simply can’t accept there is a group of oligarchs somewhere cynically and intentionally working to repress and deceive. As Day’s
book suggests, the truth is worse: nobody is in control. In concession to you, maybe the great deceit are people with power pretending they do in fact have a modicum of control when in fact they are as clueless as the rest of us.

Blissex

«I simply can’t accept there is a group of oligarchs somewhere cynically and intentionally working to repress and deceive.»

But that does not reflect my argument either which is that there are *several* cliques of oligarchs trying to control things in different but similar ways, and not always but often they succeed in controlling many important things, in particular those most of them agree on; it is not entirely by chance that thatcherism has lasted for decades, and that there were "everybody who is anybody against Corbyn" attacks in 2015-2019, or that after 2016 many of the newspaper editors who campaigned for brexit were almost stealthily replaced by others who supported remaining.

«As Day’s book suggests, the truth is worse: nobody is in control.»

Control is not something that is either 100% or 0%, "control" does not mean that every single whim gets immediately done, it can be good enough for some clique of oligarchs to get 30% over the decades of what they want, by being skilled and persistent operators who support trends that help their interests and oppose trends that damage their interests.

I am a bit astonished by people who think that either some clique has absolute control or nobody has any control, because they seem to have never worked in a corporate office, an university, a government department.

Blissex

«nobody is in control»

While I reckon that some cliques have partial control (even if sometimes they work at cross purposes), I am more sympathetic to a different absolutist claim that "nobody knows anything", because when confronted with complex systems it is very difficult to ascertain their state, never mind figure out how to achieve some outcomes.

However I reckon that some cliques keep winning beyond the odds, so there must be a way to achieve partial control without knowing much (or even anything), and also by observation of some skilled operators I reckon that can be done with "support trends that help their interests and oppose trends that damage their interests".

The absence of a magic wand of perfect control or a tome of complete knowledge can be partially overcome with persistence pushing.

Blissex

«astonished by people who think that either some clique has absolute control or nobody has any control, because they seem to have never worked in a corporate office,»

Hank Greenberg of AIG/Starr apparently once said "All I wish for is a little unfair advantage", for example.

Most experienced operators probably realize that having just 5% better "luck" than competitors is enough to become fantastically rich over some time, and it is also rather safer than absolute control or power.

«being skilled and persistent operators»

The campaigns against Sanders, Trump, Corbyn, Johnson for example did not seems "entirely spontaneous" to me...

"gutta cavat lapidem", and big stones can be cut with high-pressure water jets, and there are many options in between drops and high pressure water jets. :-)

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